Showing posts with label Gross Inaccuracies. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gross Inaccuracies. Show all posts
So this is perhaps less of an episode of Gross Inaccuracies and more of reminder to Gary Gross about the things he conveniently left out of his most recent hit piece on Tarryl Clark.

Apparently now you only have to be in the room with single payer advocates to be counted as one of them:

I’ll clear up Tarryl’s supposed indecision surrounding the public option. I attended a health care forum that Tarryl called at St. Cloud’s Whitney Senior Center. Tarryl’s special guest that night was Sen. John Marty, the most outspoken and consistent advocate for single-payer health care.

From the outset of the event, the focus of the conversation was almost exclusively about Canadacare and single-payer health care.

As you will recall, Gary, I too was at this event and if we used your logic we might also have to wonder if Representative Gottwalt (who was also there) is a single payer advocate. Oh but wait, I actually took some video of the event and put it up on youtube. Let's review what Clark said about health care reform:



Weird, for all your guilt by association rhetoric, I don't hear Clark saying anything one way or the other about single payer health insurance. But this isn't the best part of the Gross attack piece. He brings up this little exchange:

From the outset of the event, the focus of the conversation was almost exclusively about Canadacare and single-payer health care. Loretta Linus spoke enthusiastically, though a bit combatively, about CanadaCare:

“The doctors are wonderful. You get good care. And it just makes me mad when they talk about how they have to come over here to get good care & that’s not true. Now they say that Canadians have to come over here for good treatment. Well don’t you believe it. Don’t you believe it one bit. That government is so good to all its people. I don’t care if you’re rich or poor. They take care of you. And so many of the people come & they talk crap about how awful their system is. Well, don’t you believe it. Single payer is wonderful if it’s run right.”

She wasn’t the only single-payer advocate to speak that night.


Hey Gary, did you let your readers know what your good friend Steve Gottwalt was doing while this elderly woman expressed her opinion to those people who you consistently claim "work for we the people"? Oh, let me remind them:



Your "adopted representative" immediately began smirking, raising eyebrows, and generally mocking this woman and her opinion. That's right, while a constituent spoke, your "adopted representative" sat there and immediately dismissed her opinion. In fact, he did more than that. He took it one step further and openly mocked her to the audience WHILE SHE SPOKE! Given that this is completely acceptable to the Republican Party in St. Cloud due to the endorsement it received from local party leadership, I wonder why you didn't include this little exchange to your hit piece on Clark.
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You see, this is exactly why I cannot leave for two minutes. As soon as I do, your local Republican spin machine begins to go so out of control that there is a decent chance that he could rip a hole in the space time continuum.

While I cannot cover ALL of the "gross inaccuracies" made by my ill informed friend, Gary Gross, I can chronicle a few of the more recent and more egregious examples.

First, we have a little numbers inflation with regards to the recent St. Cloud Tea Party held at Lake George:

Saturday, the Central Minnesota Conservative Coalition sponsored a TEA Party rally at Lake George in downtown St. Cloud. The 1,000+ people that attended participated in a freedom celebration. [Emphasis Mine]


Now I get that you would like to inflate your numbers in order to look like your group is more than just a collection of ultra conservative zealots who apparently aren't certain that you did, in fact, LOSE the last election. However, when doing your inflating you really ought to come up with a number which is on the upper end of realism.

In fact, when the friend of mine who took these pictures brought them to me, I was impressed that you were able to get this many people out on such a beautiful day. However, to claim that there were anywhere near 1,000 people is completely laughable. 200? Perhaps. 300? Now we are stretching. 1,000? Only the most partisan ideologue could look at this crowd and come up with a number that ridiculously high.

Second, we find Mr. Gross going after every good conservatives white whale. I speak of Nancy Pelosi of course...

By now, most people have seen the video of Speaker Pelosi tearing up about the violence that visited San Francisco 30 years ago, then expressing her worries that TEA Partygoers would resort to violence.


It's strange, because I don't believe I heard Nancy Pelosi say one word about "TEA Partygoers". Could it be possible that you, Gary, hear what you want to hear so that you can cry VICTIM and spew about how horribly evil Pelosi is for telling people to tone down the rhetoric? Further, this continued crusade against SEIU is laughable as anyone in their right mind who has seen the Kenneth Gladney video sees very clearly that he was on the ground for a total of one second, received no kick or punches, and was walking around moments after this supposed attack. But that is beside the point because you bringing up one example of supposed liberal violence only demonstrates the adolescent "they do it too" mindset. So, attack away Gary, and don't bother recognizing that there absolutely ARE some people on your side of the aisle spewing the most vile hate I have ever heard. When my side threatens to bring their guns "next time" and when my side openly advocates "armed revolution" and even secession then I will believe that there is some equivalence between Kenneth Gladney falling down for one second and people bringing semi-automatic weapons to a SPEECH.

Finally, we have the one topic that Mr. Gross enjoys covering the most which is Tarryl Clark. If this crusade wasn't so sad due to its nearing an obsessive disorder, then it might be laughable how Gross feels the need to hyper analyze and thereby criticize every move Clark makes. Yet, one particular point in this usual tirade against all things Tarryl stands out:

This year, Steve Gottwalt crafted legislation that would’ve reformed health care throughout the state. Had the DFL been serious about improving Minnesota’s business climate, they would’ve passed the tax cuts and the health care reform bills passed.

If there is one thing that Gross enjoys MORE than bashing Tarryl Clark, it is expressing his man crush for one Steve Gottwalt. Now, Gary, let's review:



Seriously, Gary, there has got to be ONE thing you are willing to be honest about...
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The voice of the St. Cloud Republican Party is at it again in his role as attack dog. If there is one thing that Gary Gross does with zeal and vigor, it is try to discredit anything and everything that Senator Tarryl Clark does or says. Unfortunately, that zeal and vigor comes without any actual fact checking.

So, in another episode of "Gross Inaccuracies", we offer another perspective:

It’s patently false to say that Gov. Pawlenty’s statement was the end of negotiating because negotiations took place throughout the weekend. Just because Tarryl didn’t like what she heard during those negotiations doesn’t mean that the negotiations didn’t happen. Rejecting his counter proposals isn’t proof that negotiations ended during Gov. Pawlenty’s press conference.

It’s obvious that the DFL leadership didn’t expect Gov. Pawlenty to be the adult who would do what Minnesota’s Constitution mandates. The DFL leadership didn’t expect Gov. Pawlenty to tell them that he was tired of the stunts that they were playing.


In those negotiations, and in public, Governor Pawlenty proclaimed that he would not accept nor would he even negotiate on tax increases. Instead, he told everyone that he would sign all the bills put forward by the legislature, except for the bill to pay for them (conveniently), and unallot in order to make the budget look like his original proposal. How does one have any meaningful negotiations with a person who refuses to consider certain items and in the end finds a way that he can make the final product look very much like his original proposal? Having met with legislative leaders only 3 times throughout the entire session while being out of the state upwards of 29 times, it appears as though the Governor didn't even start negotiating let alone end negotiating.

"Stunts they were playing"? It boggles my mind how Gross and other Republicans can support the budgeting gimmicks that Pawlenty is willing to play and then call those gimmicks being the "adult". While you may not like the taxes proposed by the DFL, at least they were willing to pay for what they were spending rather than continuing to borrow, shift, and spend.

Tarryl says that unallotment “is meant to be a scalpel” that shouldn’t be used except in the final year of the biennium. The statute doesn’t have language in it that would indicate that. Quite the contrary:

Subd. 4.Reduction.(a) If the commissioner determines that probable receipts for the general fund will be less than anticipated, and that the amount available for the remainder of the biennium will be less than needed, the commissioner shall, with the approval of the governor, and after consulting the Legislative Advisory Commission, reduce the amount in the budget reserve account as needed to balance expenditures with revenue.


I’m pretty certain that there isn’t anything in the unallotment provision that says it’s only supposed to be used at the end of the biennium. I’m pretty certain that the part that says it can be used if “the commissioner determines that probable receipts for the general fund will be less than anticipated.” It further states that the commmissioner can’t use this authority unless he’s received the governor’s approval or until he’s consulted with the Legislative Advisory Commission.


Wait, you say the statute "doesn't have language" but then go on to use a less definitive "I'm pretty certain"? Which is it? Perhaps if you are going to dispute her interpretation you should figure out FOR CERTAIN your interpretation.

Further, I would direct you to the words "anticipated" and "remainder". These two words imply a certain amount of time has passed. A balanced budget has to have been reached before you can then have a budget which is "less than anticipated". Further, a "remainder" of something is certainly not the whole of something thus the further implication that this is something to be done at some point AFTER a balanced budget has been established.

Here’s another bit of Tarryl’s spin that needs debunking:

And make no mistake the Governor’s cuts will cost us jobs across the state, jobs in hospitals, nursing homes, schools, and colleges. Police and fire will be reduced and libraries and parks will not be spared. And in the end the cuts alone won’t be enough. This year for the first time Minnesotans will pay more in property taxes than income taxes. That is a direct result of this Governor’s policies and the Governor’s unilateral cuts will only make it worse.


Any city council or mayor that cuts public safety first shouldn’t hold their jobs beyond the next election. In fact, council members or mayors that start by cutting public safety budgets should be forced to resign ASAP because they’ve proven that they can’t make thoughtful decisions.


Well, you didn't so much debunk what she said so much as reframe the statement to your liking and debunk that statement. Tarryl didn't say that these would be the FIRST cuts. Rather, she said that they would be reduced.

Instead of laying people off, perhaps these employees would be willing to accept a plan where they’re furloughed for a short period of time like 1 or 2 weeks. There are probably other ways of keeping these people employed. It’s time that the DFL thinks that a cut of any sort automatically leads to their preconceived notions.

Ahh, the solution! Rather than increase taxes upon the wealthiest amongst us by upwards of $200 per year, let us take and lay middle income people off for 1 to 2 week periods of time. It is interesting that you are willing to sacrifice the income of certain people but god forbid we ask the wealthy to chip in to keep things functioning.
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Last week I wrote up a "Your Turn" to the St. Cloud Times which was published today in response to a previously published "Your Turn" by local conservative, Gary Gross. Here it is in its entirety:

In what may need to be a regular column titled “Gross Inaccuracies” in this or another publication, my favorite conservative foil and the mouthpiece of the Republican Party in St. Cloud, Gary Gross, provided a rather fact-challenged Your Turn on the recent legislative session. (“DFL leadership clearly to blame for the poor legislative session,” May 31.)

For the sake of rebuttal let us use his handy dandy format:

1. Given that Gross would like to use stamp allowances to balance a $6.4 billion deficit, I would direct his attention to Senate Resolution 66 authored by Senate Majority Leader Larry Pogemiller. The resolution cut the maximum stamp allowance for senators in half for the next two years. It passed and is expected to save about $50,000 in the next two years. Gross touted a figure of $350,000 yet the entire Senate stamp budget for the previous two years was $125,000.

2. The Per Diem Boogeyman rears its ugly head in the Gross reinterpretation of the data without so much as a mention of the fact that legislators are free to forego these payments. One might assume from his writing that it is only the DFL who takes these payments. If the Republican Party was so committed to this line of budget balancing, one wonders why they didn’t unilaterally give back their portion.

In reality, 24 percent of DFL senators (including Assistant Senate Majority Leader Tarryl Clark) and 19 percent of Republican senators voluntarily reduce their per diem payments.

3. At the start of session the Senate took the following steps to cut $1.5 million from their budget: banned out of state travel, held open 24 positions, ended job promotions and froze wages. At the end of session the Senate passed and the governor signed a bill that includes additional cuts for the next two years.

Minnesota did not have a $2.2 billion surplus. It was an illusion created by the governor by counting one-time money as ongoing and by ignoring inflation. After 16 months we continue to play these budgetary games rather than fix the structural imbalance of our state budget.

This governor realizes that to cut our way out of this problem is a road he cannot travel without serious political consequences, so watch as he shifts as much of the problems into the future as he can.

I would have much preferred more aggressive negotiations from both sides of the aisle and have expressed as much in different venues but what is clear is that Gross and his Republican colleagues refuse to acknowledge that after the first veto of a tax bill that was much lower than originally proposed this governor decided to take his ball and go home.

Thus, a second tax bill was produced that accepted the governor’s shifts in education funding as a show of compromise and in hopes it would bring some returned compromise from the governor. Obviously, that did not happen.

Rather than deride the listening sessions held by legislators across the state, Gross and his Republican friends in state government would have done well to actually listen, as they would have heard of the shared sacrifice that Minnesotans were willing to make to finally fix our state budget.

Instead, the sacrifice will be shouldered by the middle and lower income brackets as state obligations are pushed off to property taxpayers and the next generation.


Gross wants to pin this entire problem on the DFL but unfortunately the facts simply do not bear that out. To be clear, it also does not mean the entire problem is one of the Governor or the Republicans in general. This is a systemic revenue problem and we can either raise those revenues through taxation, borrow our way out the problem which is the current path of this Governor, or cut our way out of this problem which neither side is willing to do. At this point, the DFL has recognized the problem while the Governor and his party have decided to hide the problem with continued structural deficits.
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